Fiberglass Rubies Vader Helmet Recast Mod Project
Fiberglass Rubies Vader Helmet Recast Mod Project
A few months ago, I received a fiberglass Vader bucket as part of a trade with another member of the RPF. He had sent me pics of it before that so I knew that the lid was a recast of the Rubies Supreme plastic helmet, which I already have. According to him, he bought it off Ebay and wasn’t too happy with it. I thought, what the hell, it’s fiberglass so I agreed to the exchange (it was for a Grail Diary prop replica I made).
When I received it, I was surprised at the way the helmet was put together. It was really sloppily assembled. It was obvious to me that the recaster didn’t even bother to clean his cast before painting it. So there were a number of areas where the burrs were painted over. Here are some pics of the helmet out of the box:
From a distance it looked acceptable, but in close-ups it was absolutely atrocious. Here’s an example where the burr was painted over:
The recaster also didn’t bother to change his mold. Basically what he did was make a mold out of the Rubies helmet as is, save and except for the eye slots, which he filled to enable the lenses to be slotted in from the inside instead of outside. So the flaws of the Rubies remain with this recast as well, e.g.
(a) Fourth slit on the nose ridge
(b) Rounded vents
Also, the chin area appears very uneven; it was thicker on one side. I mean, it’s a given that the OT Vader lid was assymmetrical, but this is taking it too far.
And don’t get me started on that neck flare.
On a final note, it was painted (unevenly) thoroughly in gloss black, ROTS style, which was not the way I liked it. I’m an ESB Vader guy.
So, I had a dilemma. In my hands was a very poor recast fiberglass helmet. I want to modify it to be better, but I didn’t have the tools and the necessary fiberglass modding expertise. So I turned to someone I knew had the ability. I sent the faceplate to Pol (Plo Strax-Avix) while I worked on fixing the dome.
… to be continued
When I received it, I was surprised at the way the helmet was put together. It was really sloppily assembled. It was obvious to me that the recaster didn’t even bother to clean his cast before painting it. So there were a number of areas where the burrs were painted over. Here are some pics of the helmet out of the box:
From a distance it looked acceptable, but in close-ups it was absolutely atrocious. Here’s an example where the burr was painted over:
The recaster also didn’t bother to change his mold. Basically what he did was make a mold out of the Rubies helmet as is, save and except for the eye slots, which he filled to enable the lenses to be slotted in from the inside instead of outside. So the flaws of the Rubies remain with this recast as well, e.g.
(a) Fourth slit on the nose ridge
(b) Rounded vents
Also, the chin area appears very uneven; it was thicker on one side. I mean, it’s a given that the OT Vader lid was assymmetrical, but this is taking it too far.
And don’t get me started on that neck flare.
On a final note, it was painted (unevenly) thoroughly in gloss black, ROTS style, which was not the way I liked it. I’m an ESB Vader guy.
So, I had a dilemma. In my hands was a very poor recast fiberglass helmet. I want to modify it to be better, but I didn’t have the tools and the necessary fiberglass modding expertise. So I turned to someone I knew had the ability. I sent the faceplate to Pol (Plo Strax-Avix) while I worked on fixing the dome.
… to be continued
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When I received Kal’s fiberglass Vader faceplate, I couldn’t believe how bad it was made. Due to the ‘couldn’t-care-less’ attitude of the recaster, an already inaccurate Rubies Vader faceplate became even more inaccurate, and distorted. With Kal’s instructions and reference photos he supplied, I began the arduous task of rectifying this abomination.
First thing I did was to reduce the thickness on the left side of the mouth triangular vent, which is way thicker then the right side. This took quite a bit of elbow grease to accomplish due to its awkward location and I had to be careful not to damage the rather thin grills on the mouth vent.
Next I needed to square off the vents on the mouth grill, which had rounded edges on top and bottom. With constant communication with Kal, I finally got the grill to a satisfactory state.
The chin vent on the FG faceplate was also grossly distorted and off centered, so I had to really open up the hole and grind down the bulge on the chin to get it ready for modification.
Then I started in earnest to modify the faceplate. I couldn’t find any milliput or sculpy in the outer-outer rim planet where I’m located, so instead I used 2-part epoxy as a substitude. It goes on really sticky, and hard to handle, but leave it for 30 minutes and it becomes almost putty like, and can be shaped much easier.
I covered up the 4th slit on the nose ridge, started building up the task area, which were flat instead of rounded. I also had to add a bit of the thickness back to the left side of the mouth triangular vent, which I took a bit too much off.
Then I cut out some mounting board and put them on the inside of the chin vent, so that both me and Kal can have an idea of how big/small the vent need to be, before I start doing any real work on it. Note how bad the flare on the right side of the neck is. I had to prop it up to make the faceplate level.
After days of filling, sanding, filling again and sanding again, I finally got the tusk area to a stage where I’m happy with it. During the process I had to almost totally remove the epoxy several times and build it up again because the faceplate is so asymmetrical that I couldn’t get the two sides to look the same visually. Its still not identical, but with a few tricks I’ve learnt over the years, at least now they look rather balanced visually.
Close up of the tusks:
Frontal view of the tusk area
Close up of the nose ridge with the correct 3 slits, freshly added ‘nail mark’, and the line across the nose ridge which wasn’t there before.
And here’s a clearer view of the chin vent which I resized using epoxy.
To support the epoxy, and to give the chin vent a straight edge which won’t chip easily, I installed two strips of aluminum sheets on the inside of the chin vent.
I also reinforced the inside of the nose ridge so that the line I cut across it won’t cause the ridge to break later. I also reinforced areas under the eye socket where fiberglass did not fill the mold properly, leaving structural-weakening cavities in the cast.
Then I tried my best to identify any areas which may need to be levelled or require minor filling up, but without being able to buy grey spray primer where I am, I had to literally ‘work in the dark’, depending on my sense of touch to find any area I think need improving. After doing all that I could under the circumstances, I shipped the facemask back to Kal for him to prime and paint it.
This has been a great exercise, and have given me renewed confidence to take on bigger, more complicated projects.
Now back to you Kal.
First thing I did was to reduce the thickness on the left side of the mouth triangular vent, which is way thicker then the right side. This took quite a bit of elbow grease to accomplish due to its awkward location and I had to be careful not to damage the rather thin grills on the mouth vent.
Next I needed to square off the vents on the mouth grill, which had rounded edges on top and bottom. With constant communication with Kal, I finally got the grill to a satisfactory state.
The chin vent on the FG faceplate was also grossly distorted and off centered, so I had to really open up the hole and grind down the bulge on the chin to get it ready for modification.
Then I started in earnest to modify the faceplate. I couldn’t find any milliput or sculpy in the outer-outer rim planet where I’m located, so instead I used 2-part epoxy as a substitude. It goes on really sticky, and hard to handle, but leave it for 30 minutes and it becomes almost putty like, and can be shaped much easier.
I covered up the 4th slit on the nose ridge, started building up the task area, which were flat instead of rounded. I also had to add a bit of the thickness back to the left side of the mouth triangular vent, which I took a bit too much off.
Then I cut out some mounting board and put them on the inside of the chin vent, so that both me and Kal can have an idea of how big/small the vent need to be, before I start doing any real work on it. Note how bad the flare on the right side of the neck is. I had to prop it up to make the faceplate level.
After days of filling, sanding, filling again and sanding again, I finally got the tusk area to a stage where I’m happy with it. During the process I had to almost totally remove the epoxy several times and build it up again because the faceplate is so asymmetrical that I couldn’t get the two sides to look the same visually. Its still not identical, but with a few tricks I’ve learnt over the years, at least now they look rather balanced visually.
Close up of the tusks:
Frontal view of the tusk area
Close up of the nose ridge with the correct 3 slits, freshly added ‘nail mark’, and the line across the nose ridge which wasn’t there before.
And here’s a clearer view of the chin vent which I resized using epoxy.
To support the epoxy, and to give the chin vent a straight edge which won’t chip easily, I installed two strips of aluminum sheets on the inside of the chin vent.
I also reinforced the inside of the nose ridge so that the line I cut across it won’t cause the ridge to break later. I also reinforced areas under the eye socket where fiberglass did not fill the mold properly, leaving structural-weakening cavities in the cast.
Then I tried my best to identify any areas which may need to be levelled or require minor filling up, but without being able to buy grey spray primer where I am, I had to literally ‘work in the dark’, depending on my sense of touch to find any area I think need improving. After doing all that I could under the circumstances, I shipped the facemask back to Kal for him to prime and paint it.
This has been a great exercise, and have given me renewed confidence to take on bigger, more complicated projects.
Now back to you Kal.
Last edited by Plo Strax-Avix on Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:23 pm, edited 1 time in total.
When I got the faceplate back from Pol, I couldn’t believe my eyes. It was hard to believe that it was the same faceplate I shipped to Pol a month before! Kudos to you, my friend… you are indeed a gifted artistan!
That night I started sanding the faceplate. I started with 600 grit sandpaper and finished it off with 800 grit sandpaper. I did the same to the dome. Then I primed them both with grey primer spray.
The primer helped me identify uneven areas on the surface of the lid. So I sanded both the faceplate and the dome again, with 600 and 800 grit sandpapers.
Test fitting the dome and faceplate:
As a final step, I sanded the helmet with 1000 and 1200 grit sandpapers to ensure a super smooth surface for painting.
Close ups of the faceplate after final sanding:
Close ups of the dome after final sanding:
With priming and sanding out of the way, I was ready to paint the helmet. I was going for the OT Vader two-tone black and gunmetal paint job so I started out spraying the faceplate gunmetal (Duplicolor autopaint bought at Eneos in 1Utama), masked the relevant areas and sprayed it with Krylon Fusion Gloss Black. Three coats of each. I also sprayed the dome with three coats of Krylon Fusion Gloss Black, and left them a whole week to cure.
Once I was satisfied that the paint had fully cured, I had both the dome and the faceplate clear coated to add the shine. Here’re pics of the faceplate after clear coating:
Test fitting with dome (before lenses, tusks and grills):
I had ordered screen accurate grills (backed by aluminium screen) and tusks on Ebay and installed them. I also added lenses which I cut out of smoked plexiglass and then bent into shape. I also added tinting film (as per Pol’s suggestion) to the lenses to make them darker.
Here’re pics of the finished helmet:
Close-up of the modified nose ridge:
Close-up of the modified vents and chin:
And here are the ones I’m particularly proud of, the money shots:
Here’s a shot of it with the my Rubies armor, which I repainted, clearcoated and added screen accurate chain.
Again, thanks to Pol for all the help with this bucket! You are the MAN!
That night I started sanding the faceplate. I started with 600 grit sandpaper and finished it off with 800 grit sandpaper. I did the same to the dome. Then I primed them both with grey primer spray.
The primer helped me identify uneven areas on the surface of the lid. So I sanded both the faceplate and the dome again, with 600 and 800 grit sandpapers.
Test fitting the dome and faceplate:
As a final step, I sanded the helmet with 1000 and 1200 grit sandpapers to ensure a super smooth surface for painting.
Close ups of the faceplate after final sanding:
Close ups of the dome after final sanding:
With priming and sanding out of the way, I was ready to paint the helmet. I was going for the OT Vader two-tone black and gunmetal paint job so I started out spraying the faceplate gunmetal (Duplicolor autopaint bought at Eneos in 1Utama), masked the relevant areas and sprayed it with Krylon Fusion Gloss Black. Three coats of each. I also sprayed the dome with three coats of Krylon Fusion Gloss Black, and left them a whole week to cure.
Once I was satisfied that the paint had fully cured, I had both the dome and the faceplate clear coated to add the shine. Here’re pics of the faceplate after clear coating:
Test fitting with dome (before lenses, tusks and grills):
I had ordered screen accurate grills (backed by aluminium screen) and tusks on Ebay and installed them. I also added lenses which I cut out of smoked plexiglass and then bent into shape. I also added tinting film (as per Pol’s suggestion) to the lenses to make them darker.
Here’re pics of the finished helmet:
Close-up of the modified nose ridge:
Close-up of the modified vents and chin:
And here are the ones I’m particularly proud of, the money shots:
Here’s a shot of it with the my Rubies armor, which I repainted, clearcoated and added screen accurate chain.
Again, thanks to Pol for all the help with this bucket! You are the MAN!
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Materials have been listed in my post above. I can't find any milliput or sculpy so I used a 2-part epoxy.
IMO, having the right tools is more important then using the right sculpting material. Normal tools used by sculptors would not be suitable for working with epoxy, or they may not be able to work with epoxy, which is totally different from milliput or sculpy.
Good thing I do a lot of woodwork and is used to working with filler and such, which has pretty much the same viscocity as epoxy. Plus I custom make my own tools for each job.
IMO, having the right tools is more important then using the right sculpting material. Normal tools used by sculptors would not be suitable for working with epoxy, or they may not be able to work with epoxy, which is totally different from milliput or sculpy.
Good thing I do a lot of woodwork and is used to working with filler and such, which has pretty much the same viscocity as epoxy. Plus I custom make my own tools for each job.
Gosh... great job!
Hmmmm...... wonder what your neighbours thought about you having Darth Vader in your garden or yard though...??
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Hmmmm...... wonder what your neighbours thought about you having Darth Vader in your garden or yard though...??
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LAMBORGHINI BRAVO
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