THE GALACTIC SENATE

Just wondering... If Qui-gon had not died, would Anakin still become Vader?

Darth Avenrair wrote:Just wondering... If Qui-gon had not died, would Anakin still become Vader?

Don't think it'll make a difference. If it is correct that Palpatine orchestrated all the events that happened, including anakin's birth, then Anakin would still have been turned, and Qui-Gon killed when order 66 was given......my 2 cents

hbng wrote:

Darth Avenrair wrote:Just wondering... If Qui-gon had not died, would Anakin still become Vader?

Don't think it'll make a difference. If it is correct that Palpatine orchestrated all the events that happened, including anakin's birth, then Anakin would still have been turned, and Qui-Gon killed when order 66 was given......my 2 cents

I did not interpret Darth Siddious's message as he orchestrated the birth of Anakin. He said too that the Sith could prevent deaths and raise the death and he followed on to say to Anakin that they could learn this secret together. Hence my interpretation is that he is not able to do any of these although he implied that the Sith of the past could and the knowledge is available to those who seek it.

He may even just only be trying to bait Anakin and get him over to the dark side by pretending to have access to knowledge that is lost.

Excellent comment . I believe that Darth Sidious definitely had a hand in Anakin's birth , but he was also definitely trying to lure Anakin over with promises that he could learn to prolong the life of Padme if he came over to the Dark Side .

Actually, if you think about it, Anakin's love for Padme was obsessive and pathological . From a medical point of view , Anakin was definitely losing sight of reality , perhaps scarred psychologically from the death of his mother . Then again, I suspect also that Darth Sidious was influencing Anakin's mind, and I suspect Sidious might even have planted those visions in Anakin's mind , to turn him to the Dark Side .

What do you all think ?

Even without Darth Sidious planting those vision, would Anakin still have them? If Darth Sidious planted those vision, would it have come true? Could he affect her death over a large distance?

Dori wrote:Even without Darth Sidious planting those vision, would Anakin still have them? If Darth Sidious planted those vision, would it have come true? Could he affect her death over a large distance?

My thoughts exactly, Dori . It's kinda like the chicken and the egg question isn't it? Which came first ?

danchia wrote:Excellent comment . I believe that Darth Sidious definitely had a hand in Anakin's birth , but he was also definitely trying to lure Anakin over with promises that he could learn to prolong the life of Padme if he came over to the Dark Side .

Actually, if you think about it, Anakin's love for Padme was obsessive and pathological . From a medical point of view , Anakin was definitely losing sight of reality , perhaps scarred psychologically from the death of his mother . Then again, I suspect also that Darth Sidious was influencing Anakin's mind, and I suspect Sidious might even have planted those visions in Anakin's mind , to turn him to the Dark Side .

What do you all think ?

I thought this over before responding. Although it is an interesting idea, well, Palpatine has not been known to be on Tatooine (unless I am mistaken) although he has been to Naboo and Coruscant. Palpatine had said that midi-chlorians were able to create life itself, Palpatine implied such knowledge but I doubt he is able to do it himself. I will be keeping a look out to see if this theory is true.

Just generaly think that palpatine merely took advantage of the situation. And played Anakin realy well. Implying that the sith could prevent death, played on Anakin's obsession to keep Padme alive when it was time to give birth to twins., Now thats what I call grabbing the chance when it comes knocking on your door.

Actually, think about it - if Qui-Gon had listened to the council and not taken on Anakin, would there be a Darth Vader? Or would Count Dooku continue to take his place at the side of the Emperor?

Gandalf Fett wrote:Actually, think about it - if Qui-Gon had listened to the council and not taken on Anakin, would there be a Darth Vader? Or would Count Dooku continue to take his place at the side of the Emperor?

Interesting thought.

If Qui-Gon had not taken in Anakin, there may be no Darth Vader, maybe Padme would marry someone else, maybe Luke and Leia would not be born. Meanwhile Palpatine would still take over and destroy all Jedis. This time, there would be nobody to to help the Rebel Alliance to win and most possibly, they would be destroyed despite Mon Mothma's efforts.

I think there is an interesting alternative timeline story in this one.

Hmmmmm, but would Dooku be as effective as Vader to wipe out and destroy all the Jedi? If not, maybe there's still a hope there?

Gandalf Fett wrote:Hmmmmm, but would Dooku be as effective as Vader to wipe out and destroy all the Jedi? If not, maybe there's still a hope there?

Perhaps not, however, it was neither Dooku nor Vader who wipe out all Jedi. it was order 66.

It was Vader who hunt and wipe out the remaining Jedi who were not killed by Order 66. I am unsure if Count Dooku would have done an equally effective job but I doubt it. There will always be people who are not that strong with the Force, hence can easily hide from Vader but can produce descendants who are much stronger in the Force.

lhs1701 wrote:Perhaps not, however, it was neither Dooku nor Vader who wipe out all Jedi. it was order 66...

Order 66 is to wipe off all Jedi on the fields, while Anakin (er, Vadar) lead the troop to wipe off all the Jedi in the Jedi Temple.

Which would simply mean at the end of the day that it is likely that there would be more than just Obi-Wan and Yoda around relying only on Luke but there will still be other Jedi around who can help the rebellion.

Order 66 is to wipe out all Jedi ... but some Sith were ex-Jedi ... so how do the crone trooper differentiate between who to kill?

Trooper: Identify yourself ... a Jedi or a Sith?
Count Dooku: Sith.
Trooper: OK, u can go.

Trooper: Identify yourself ... a Jedi or a Sith?
Anakin: Jedi.
Trooper: Then u die ...
Anakin: No, no, wait ... Sith.
Trooper: OK, u can go.